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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 22, 2014 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

I would say the big diff is that over a 40 yr period it IS a nationally recognized phenomenon...when the show Freaks and Geeks ends, for example, everyone knows what it means to go on the road w the DEAD.

That is NOT something that everyone knows about Bruce. My classes as Uni make this clear, both here, Australia, England, Ireland...kids all know this crap about the DEAD.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2014 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

The Grateful Dead were never a 'rock' band - the E Street Band would give the Dead a wedgie and steal its lunch money on any given day. Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band in their late seventies pomp might have challenged the E Street to a fair shakedown, but the Dead? Nahh... bunch of airy jamband pussies as far as actual rocking was concerned. My 18 year old daughter and her friends know nothing of the Dead (so last century) but Bruce played Glastonbury and Hyde Park - we know who he is!

So, are you back in play, William? (Really the only reason I'm addressing this post to you!)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2014 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

We all know who the REAL rockers were...ahem?

Yes, of course, CREAM.

Agree entirely on your pt, re: rockers per se. But, I'd already conceded that, and joined the fray in the context of "American Band", period, I suppose?

And, sure, did the DEAD ever have the recognition of the Beatles or Stones? No; but, I give them the nod because I do believe the whole "drop out, tour w a band" notion originates (and dies) with them? And even if internationally that's tapered off, I am constantly amazed at (albeit much smaller sample than yours truly) of how many "informed" young music lovers know the whole "tour w the DEAD" if they know nothing about their top songs--the likes of which I meet only thru my son and nephew living in Oxford/Dublin...

That counts in a sense of "social impact" which is what I was shooting for...if I'd known YOU'D be reading, I would've upped my game considerably.

You think I have to worry about all this splaining w the dolts round here??!

They're all Darwinian Nazi loving socialists last I heard.

;)

EDIT: there's a mistake for ya: "wouldn't" instead of "would've", eh? Sheessh. Kinda makes sense though...

;)

This post was modified by William Tell on 2014-01-23 18:42:26

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2014 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

You just have to love this place for the sheer statistically improbable number of (smart)assholes infesting the joint such as yourself, b'devil, SDH, Mando, arb, when he graces us with his presence, my long-departed and greatly missed brother Dire, and sundry other goodfellas (yes you too, micah). It's what goes on sucking me right back in despite my best endeavours to make a clean break.

But I digress, social impact and a fanatical following does not necessarily a cast iron rock'n'roll band make - evidence M. Cyrus, Beiber and One Direction, for example. And those Nazis, shit but they had cool uniforms, huh? Beat yer tie-dye into a snivelling corner anyhow. :-)

(aside - do you still have my email? If so, could you wing me yours and elb's please? Had a technomeltdown and lost a whiole lot of stuff recently. Thank you!)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 23, 2014 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

That's not all that goes on sucking you back in...

Bleat, bleat.

And going back to your thought on Bruce and Company giving the Dead an atomic wedgie, I have to agree. Bruce as a performer is at the top of the heap (along with the likes of Jagger and Tyler). The Dead could never compete with that (although Bob did try, bless his denim short-wearing heart). Without that larger than life front man, the Dead would always be playing to a more select audience, relying almost entirely on the music itself to draw people in. Bruce has the trifecta of music, incredible lyrics and performance. Hard to compete with that package. And I know you like a good package. Sure, folks around here (myself included) will argue that the Dead beat Bruce on the music side, but the other two? Nope (IMHO, anyway)

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2014-01-23 20:45:03

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2014 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

I hope everyone understands that I'm not doing down the Dead as a great bunch of musicians. In the course of a single show they could effortlesly move from being the world's greatest bar band to the world's greatest jam band, to the world's greatest rock band, to the world's greatest you pick your category. But let's face it, they were never great with the consistency of The Band, or the E Streeters, and sometimes they could downright suck. Then again, isn't that what kept us all coming back - waiting for that moment when they flat out, indisputably nailed it?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 24, 2014 6:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

Agreed. Could Bruce and others still maintain a huge following if they had as many weak shows as the Dead did, especially in the later years when their popularity was at it zenith? I don't think so. Fans today expect each and every show to be equally large (and for the price of tickets, can you blame them?). The fact that the Dead could be the highest grossing live act year after year is a true testament to the loyalty of their fan base, even if there were more misses than hits.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2014-01-24 14:00:57

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2014 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

That was some what my point w saying the "touring w the DEAD" eclipses most anything assoc w Bruce et al. EG, during the 90s, we heard a great deal about Phish "replacing" the DEAD, etc., etc.; anything to do w Bruce & co slipped under the radar, at least for my kids, all three of which came of age then, and were into music in a huge way...he was always a big draw but it really wasn't much different that other "big names" each decade (the only difference being Bruce et al were still around four decades later I suppose...but, so was Tom Petty; in fact, many talked more about him than Bruce, now that I recall).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 24, 2014 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

Oh, that was your point.

I guess it falls to me to take your ideas and rephrase them so people actually know what you're talking about.

I'm thinking it might be a good idea to let me handle your tax return this year. I mean, how long will Uncle Sam keep saying "What the hell is this supposed to mean?" before he decides to give you some special attention?

No, not that kind of special attention. That comes after you've been arrested, or after accepting Rob's invitation for a "casual" dinner.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2014 9:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

Nice try, but I am afraid "...kinda my point..." is ultra nice guy code for "look, dumbass, my point completely and utterly CONTAINED each and every worthwhile implication of yours, therefore rendering it superfluous, so STFU"...

Does that help?

;)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 24, 2014 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

What's "Ultra Nice Guy Code" for Blow Me?

Wait, I remember: "Great point. Your towering intellect is rivaled only by your magnanimous spirit. If only we could all strive to be more like you, this planet would become a better place"

Dammit, now I've got to remember how to clean bile off of footwear all over again.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 24, 2014 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

Hmm, the amazing thing is, that's largely true; of course, now everyone want's to throw up, but hey, if the shoe fits, wash it off and keep wearing it, dude.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2014 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

Yes, your daughter, SDH (hmmm, those should NEVER be next to each other, eh?), my son & wife (there, put her at SOME distance from SDH!) all seem to agree...and they only saw Bruce & e et al. in the past few yrs...Clarence was helped on and off stage, and they loved him and the show, etc., etc., etc.

Sending email shortly.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 22, 2014 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

Can't argue with that. Guess I was a weenie. My biggest road trip was Palo Alto > Sacramento > Stockton. :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 23, 2014 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

While we're on Bruce and the E street band, my wife and kid saw them, and loved it, ala you/Rob, but I saw them back in the 70s/80s, and sorry...bleech. I thought his writing was really formula driven, and just...trite? I know, I know; hard to defend some of CREAM much less Bob's (ugh)...but "born to run" just never did anything for me, but make me wince. When folks first suggested, back in 76, that here was a band, better than the DEAD, I died a little for that person. It was RARE; back then, we really only defended them against the likes of LZep, PFld, and the Who, and all three of those I could at least debate. But, really, something escaped me and still does for Bruce et al.

I did develop a BIG crush on Patti, before Bruce even...

;)

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 23, 2014 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Greatest American Rock Band'?

I get your points. I loved his passion, the band, and most of the lyrics. One could probably also do a number on Hunter's lyrics if they chose.

And ditto on Patti. I have her first solo record and still play it regularly. Very underrated. She has a direct connection to the NY girl sounds of the 60s like Ronnie Spector et al. Never got her second though.

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